Comments on: An OPML Answer to “Where are the Women in Tech Blogging?” http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging a blog about the connected age Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:25:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Michael Bernstein http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-107 Michael Bernstein Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:26:32 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-107 I don't read them all, at least, not all the time. I find it convenient to occasionally look at the feeds labeled 'web', or 'policy', or 'python' (for example), just to see what's going on in that area, and without feeling obligated to read everything that's under that label. Still, with 680 feeds, I need to trim a few with a low S/N ratio. I don’t read them all, at least, not all the time.

I find it convenient to occasionally look at the feeds labeled ‘web’, or ‘policy’, or ‘python’ (for example), just to see what’s going on in that area, and without feeling obligated to read everything that’s under that label.

Still, with 680 feeds, I need to trim a few with a low S/N ratio.

]]> By: Anne Zelenka http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-106 Anne Zelenka Wed, 01 Feb 2006 07:54:55 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-106 Wow, Michael, 680? I'm at around 150 and it's more than I can take... but I'm still using Bloglines. I think I could manage more with a different reader. How do you like Google's? I'm glad the file imported okay. I am still trying to decide what to do with the project, but boy is Python a great help. I'm loving it. Thanks for your evangelism. Wow, Michael, 680? I’m at around 150 and it’s more than I can take… but I’m still using Bloglines. I think I could manage more with a different reader. How do you like Google’s? I’m glad the file imported okay. I am still trying to decide what to do with the project, but boy is Python a great help. I’m loving it. Thanks for your evangelism.

]]> By: Michael Bernstein http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-105 Michael Bernstein Wed, 01 Feb 2006 07:20:22 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-105 While you're looking in this space, you might want to check out <a href="http://www.xfml.org">XFML</a>. Thanks for making the file available, imported into Google Reader with no problems: Any feeds I was already subscribed to just had the tag 'misbehaving' added to them. I'm up to about 680 subscriptions altogether, and probably need to do some trimming soon. While you’re looking in this space, you might want to check out XFML.

Thanks for making the file available, imported into Google Reader with no problems: Any feeds I was already subscribed to just had the tag ‘misbehaving’ added to them.

I’m up to about 680 subscriptions altogether, and probably need to do some trimming soon.

]]> By: Danny Ayers http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-104 Danny Ayers Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:23:20 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-104 Anne, FOAF, cool! What I forget to mention was that (if I remember correctly) the FOAF version of the feedlist should be enough to use with the <a href="http://www.hackdiary.com/projects/chumpologica/">Chumpalogica</a>. At first glance, for simple aggregation FOAF plus RDF store might look over-engineered compared to say using plain-XML tools. But this general setup isn't really more complex, the data model is already defined and libraries are available of the shelf to do much of the work. What's more the shared data model enables a whole lot more (my own bits of related play are around <a href="http://pragmatron.org/docs/sparqlsphere.html">SparqlSphere</a>). btw, the <a href="http://rdfweb.org/irc/">FOAF irc</a> channel is a friendly place. Anne, FOAF, cool!

What I forget to mention was that (if I remember correctly) the FOAF version of the feedlist should be enough to use with the Chumpalogica.

At first glance, for simple aggregation FOAF plus RDF store might look over-engineered compared to say using plain-XML tools. But this general setup isn’t really more complex, the data model is already defined and libraries are available of the shelf to do much of the work.

What’s more the shared data model enables a whole lot more (my own bits of related play are around SparqlSphere).

btw, the FOAF irc channel is a friendly place.

]]> By: Marshall Kirkpatrick http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-103 Marshall Kirkpatrick Sat, 28 Jan 2006 03:17:48 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-103 Barb over at the Social Software blog has some helpful contributions to the discussion of how this could be used: http://socialsoftware.weblogsinc.com/2006/01/27/where-are-the-women-in-tech-they-live-in-an-opml-file/ Barb over at the Social Software blog has some helpful contributions to the discussion of how this could be used: http://socialsoftware.weblogsinc.com/2006/01/27/where-are-the-women-in-tech-they-live-in-an-opml-file/

]]> By: Anne Zelenka http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-102 Anne Zelenka Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:26:48 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-102 Danny - I've just started thinking about FOAF and am thrilled to see how I can link this project to that. I need to drink a large cup of coffee before I can begin to comprehend the remainder of what you just said. And yes, hierarchies are so 20th century--disco era even. Bela - Thanks for the pointers. I will check those out. I figured there were tons of tools for manipulating and managing OPML that I didn't know about it. This has been a great way to learn about them. Danny - I’ve just started thinking about FOAF and am thrilled to see how I can link this project to that. I need to drink a large cup of coffee before I can begin to comprehend the remainder of what you just said.

And yes, hierarchies are so 20th century–disco era even.

Bela - Thanks for the pointers. I will check those out. I figured there were tons of tools for manipulating and managing OPML that I didn’t know about it. This has been a great way to learn about them.

]]> By: Bela Labovitch http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-101 Bela Labovitch Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:03:35 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-101 Anne, Cool list. Check out http://www.opmlworkstation.com. One can maintain opml/reading lists there. The next version will allow you to permit public editing of OPML files (wiki-like) - so that more people can add to your OPML list. As your list gets longer, you can spilt it into multiple OPML files - each covering a category of woman bloggers (each list potentially maintained by a different person), and have an OPML file that points to them. BTW, I found your list in OPML Search (www.opmlsearch.com) when looking up Amanda Williams http://www.opmlsearch.com/?Search=Amanda+Williams You can read or browse your OPML there. Feedback on the tools welcome! -Bela Anne,

Cool list. Check out http://www.opmlworkstation.com. One can maintain opml/reading lists there. The next version will allow you to permit public editing of OPML files (wiki-like) - so that more people can add to your OPML list.

As your list gets longer, you can spilt it into multiple OPML files - each covering a category of woman bloggers (each list potentially maintained by a different person), and have an OPML file that points to them.

BTW, I found your list in OPML Search (www.opmlsearch.com) when looking up Amanda Williams
http://www.opmlsearch.com/?Search=Amanda+Williams
You can read or browse your OPML there.

Feedback on the tools welcome!
-Bela

]]> By: Danny Ayers http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-100 Danny Ayers Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:17:03 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-100 Nice to see the list. Here is a link to it (live) in FOAF - http://www.w3.org/2000/06/webdata/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fdannyayers.com%2Fsvn%2Fpragmatron%2Fxslt%2Fopml2blogroll.xsl&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.annezelenka.com%2Fmisbehaving.xml&transform=Submit Might not paste well in these comments so here's the trick - your OPML plus: http://dannyayers.com/svn/pragmatron/xslt/opml2blogroll.xsl fed through the W3C's XSLT service: http://www.w3.org/2001/05/xslt The result can be directly merged with any other RDF about the people on the list, e.g. their FOAF Personal Profile docs. (Burningbird's the blogher to ping on this). Note that the result uses the blogger's name as the title of the blog - suboptimal, but there isn't a lot more can be done with the source data. Indeed it would be possible to go a lot more sophisticated that this on the same basic information, only it's all very ambiguous in OPML. In fact I've got a variation on the XSLT about (opml2skosroll.xsl, same host/path as above) that will express category info using the SKOS vocabulary, but this doesn't add anything to your list (it uses the "title" attribute on a parent outline element, the FeedDemon has "text" instead - I forget the specific OPML source I wrote the XSLT around). Dreaming in outlines? Hierarchies are *so* 20th century. You probably already dream in Webs ;-) Nice to see the list.

Here is a link to it (live) in FOAF -

http://www.w3.org/2000/06/webdata/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fdannyayers.com%2Fsvn%2Fpragmatron%2Fxslt%2Fopml2blogroll.xsl&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.annezelenka.com%2Fmisbehaving.xml&transform=Submit

Might not paste well in these comments so here’s the trick - your OPML plus:

http://dannyayers.com/svn/pragmatron/xslt/opml2blogroll.xsl

fed through the W3C’s XSLT service:

http://www.w3.org/2001/05/xslt

The result can be directly merged with any other RDF about the people on the list, e.g. their FOAF Personal Profile docs. (Burningbird’s the blogher to ping on this).

Note that the result uses the blogger’s name as the title of the blog - suboptimal, but there isn’t a lot more can be done with the source data. Indeed it would be possible to go a lot more sophisticated that this on the same basic information, only it’s all very ambiguous in OPML.

In fact I’ve got a variation on the XSLT about (opml2skosroll.xsl, same host/path as above) that will express category info using the SKOS vocabulary, but this doesn’t add anything to your list (it uses the “title” attribute on a parent outline element, the FeedDemon has “text” instead - I forget the specific OPML source I wrote the XSLT around).

Dreaming in outlines? Hierarchies are *so* 20th century. You probably already dream in Webs ;-)

]]> By: Anne Zelenka http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-99 Anne Zelenka Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:02:13 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-99 Thanks for the info, Pito, I've been meaning to check out BlogBridge. I heard it supported reading lists but didn't know much more about it. Sounds like a good fit with the stuff I'm doing. Thanks for the info, Pito, I’ve been meaning to check out BlogBridge. I heard it supported reading lists but didn’t know much more about it. Sounds like a good fit with the stuff I’m doing.

]]> By: Pito Salas http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-98 Pito Salas Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:01:22 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2006/01/an-opml-answer-to-where-are-the-women-in-tech-blogging#comment-98 BlogBridge may be worth a look. It's an aggregator with (open source, free, cross platform - I work on it) pretty comprehensive OPML and Reading List support. You can both subscribe to whole reading lists and as of yesterday, you can take a collection of feeds you like and with a single check in a box, publish it out as OPML. So both halves of the equation. Thought you might be intererested. http://www.blogbridge.com/archives/2006/01/how_does_one_mi.php http://www.blogbridge.com/archives/2006/01/announcing_blog.php BlogBridge may be worth a look. It’s an aggregator with (open source, free, cross platform - I work on it) pretty comprehensive OPML and Reading List support. You can both subscribe to whole reading lists and as of yesterday, you can take a collection of feeds you like and with a single check in a box, publish it out as OPML. So both halves of the equation. Thought you might be intererested.

http://www.blogbridge.com/archives/2006/01/how_does_one_mi.php

http://www.blogbridge.com/archives/2006/01/announcing_blog.php

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