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		<title>By: Keith Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Anne: I am a bit perplexed as to why VCs are offering still such large bucks to web 2.0 ventures...this technology is about collaboration and user input...so really websites like StumbleUpon and others generate massive user communities, but I honestly don't see how these companies turn a profit. After the VC capital is used up, then what? I think Web2.0 is exciting from the tech standpoint, but for the average business person, how is a profit generated? These are indeed strange and undefined times. Regards, Keith Johnson, Hollywood, FL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Anne: I am a bit perplexed as to why VCs are offering still such large bucks to web 2.0 ventures&#8230;this technology is about collaboration and user input&#8230;so really websites like StumbleUpon and others generate massive user communities, but I honestly don&#8217;t see how these companies turn a profit. After the VC capital is used up, then what? I think Web2.0 is exciting from the tech standpoint, but for the average business person, how is a profit generated? These are indeed strange and undefined times. Regards, Keith Johnson, Hollywood, FL</p>
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		<title>By: Anne 2.0 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Writing for an Audience of One</title>
		<link>http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/why-venture-capitalists-are-doomed#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne 2.0 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Writing for an Audience of One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why Venture Capitalists Are Doomed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Why Venture Capitalists Are Doomed [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: tech decentral &#187; Why RedMonk</title>
		<link>http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/why-venture-capitalists-are-doomed#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>tech decentral &#187; Why RedMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That&#8217;s one reason I&#8217;m joining RedMonk. Together we can be even more disruptive, in a productive way. But the disruption itself isn&#8217;t as interesting as what happens next. What comes after the disruption and destruction and dissolving of the old ways of doing? Constructing new ways of creating value and remodeling the old ways. That&#8217;s where the real work happens. That&#8217;s where RedMonk comes in: helping technology companies find ways to thrive and profit as trends in technology look like they&#8217;re taking every profit-making opportunity away. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] That&#8217;s one reason I&#8217;m joining RedMonk. Together we can be even more disruptive, in a productive way. But the disruption itself isn&#8217;t as interesting as what happens next. What comes after the disruption and destruction and dissolving of the old ways of doing? Constructing new ways of creating value and remodeling the old ways. That&#8217;s where the real work happens. That&#8217;s where RedMonk comes in: helping technology companies find ways to thrive and profit as trends in technology look like they&#8217;re taking every profit-making opportunity away. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anne 2.0 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Physical Proximity? It&#8217;s a Generational Thing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne 2.0 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Physical Proximity? It&#8217;s a Generational Thing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I say: the revolution&#8217;s for real. But older generations don&#8217;t get it. And when I say &#8220;older generations&#8221; I&#8217;m not so much referring to age as to mindset. If you still think that the old ways of doing things&#8211;massive VC funding, centralized and topdown operations, locating the heart of your work in Silicon Valley because you&#8217;ve seen others succeed that way, looking for supernormal profit&#8211;you&#8217;re part of the older generation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I say: the revolution&#8217;s for real. But older generations don&#8217;t get it. And when I say &#8220;older generations&#8221; I&#8217;m not so much referring to age as to mindset. If you still think that the old ways of doing things&#8211;massive VC funding, centralized and topdown operations, locating the heart of your work in Silicon Valley because you&#8217;ve seen others succeed that way, looking for supernormal profit&#8211;you&#8217;re part of the older generation. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anne 2.0 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Google: So Bad, It&#8217;s Good</title>
		<link>http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/why-venture-capitalists-are-doomed#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne 2.0 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Google: So Bad, It&#8217;s Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This discussion reminds me a little of the one around venture capitalists that happened back in January, wherein I proposed that venture capitalists are doomed. It&#8217;s right out of Econ 101: competition drives out profits. The consumer benefits from lower-priced goods. Now, I don&#8217;t want to be naive and think there&#8217;s no disadvantage to what Google&#8217;s doing. As Kedrosky and Foremski point out, there are drawbacks: Google may not keep supporting these free services if it succeeds in killing off money-charging competitors. People do get put out of work when cash cows die. I don&#8217;t agree that Wall Street won&#8217;t consider this in its valuation of Google, because it only adds to the air of inevitability around Google&#8217;s eventual victory over everyone else. And that brings us back to the possibility of a monopoly, which is indeed a concern. Call me a bad mix of Democrat and Republican, but I think the market will work pretty well and when it doesn&#8217;t, the government anti-trust division will step in. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This discussion reminds me a little of the one around venture capitalists that happened back in January, wherein I proposed that venture capitalists are doomed. It&#8217;s right out of Econ 101: competition drives out profits. The consumer benefits from lower-priced goods. Now, I don&#8217;t want to be naive and think there&#8217;s no disadvantage to what Google&#8217;s doing. As Kedrosky and Foremski point out, there are drawbacks: Google may not keep supporting these free services if it succeeds in killing off money-charging competitors. People do get put out of work when cash cows die. I don&#8217;t agree that Wall Street won&#8217;t consider this in its valuation of Google, because it only adds to the air of inevitability around Google&#8217;s eventual victory over everyone else. And that brings us back to the possibility of a monopoly, which is indeed a concern. Call me a bad mix of Democrat and Republican, but I think the market will work pretty well and when it doesn&#8217;t, the government anti-trust division will step in. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Zelenka</title>
		<link>http://www.annezelenka.com/2006/01/why-venture-capitalists-are-doomed#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Zelenka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 03:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Christopher, thanks for stopping by and commenting. I saw your comment on Amy Wohl's post but I didn't want to create a profile there, so didn't respond.

Disclaimer: I'm an armchair economist and an armchair VC watcher. Sounds like you have real experience and real numbers to argue from.

Yes, my argument hinges on the presence of supernormal profit. But it's the VC partners who got it, not the institutional investors. The 3% management fees, the 20% carry--that's more than what they should have gotten in a perfectly competitive market for financial intermediary services. Why did institutional investors put up with it? If the returns didn't make up for it, I don't know why they wouldn't just go with more liquid and safe investments.

It's like the hedge funds of today. For the past few years, they've been able to demand these outrageous fees because they exploited inefficiencies in the markets and produced above-average returns. Now that so many people are pursuing similar hedging strategies, the opportunities for supernormal profit are being squeezed out and hedge funds aren't compensating their investors for the costs that those investors pay to invest with them. So, investors are moving on.

Again, I'm basing this on my armchair view of it all. I don't invest in or run a hedge fund, but I do have a subscription to the Wall Street Journal :)

I'll have to read your article when I have more time. I'm very interested in pursuing this analysis further. I'm also interested in what people think is going to happen with Web 2.0 type services--will people just fund them with a credit card and then charge users to create revenue? Is advertising truly feasible as an ongoing revenue generator for say, a newsreader or a mashup builder? I've heard Bloglines hasn't added advertising to their service because they think users wouldn't stand for it. So how are they making any money to sustain themselves?

Thanks again for the comments, and I'll look forward to reading your article when I've dug through my morning work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Christopher, thanks for stopping by and commenting. I saw your comment on Amy Wohl&#8217;s post but I didn&#8217;t want to create a profile there, so didn&#8217;t respond.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I&#8217;m an armchair economist and an armchair VC watcher. Sounds like you have real experience and real numbers to argue from.</p>
<p>Yes, my argument hinges on the presence of supernormal profit. But it&#8217;s the VC partners who got it, not the institutional investors. The 3% management fees, the 20% carry&#8211;that&#8217;s more than what they should have gotten in a perfectly competitive market for financial intermediary services. Why did institutional investors put up with it? If the returns didn&#8217;t make up for it, I don&#8217;t know why they wouldn&#8217;t just go with more liquid and safe investments.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the hedge funds of today. For the past few years, they&#8217;ve been able to demand these outrageous fees because they exploited inefficiencies in the markets and produced above-average returns. Now that so many people are pursuing similar hedging strategies, the opportunities for supernormal profit are being squeezed out and hedge funds aren&#8217;t compensating their investors for the costs that those investors pay to invest with them. So, investors are moving on.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m basing this on my armchair view of it all. I don&#8217;t invest in or run a hedge fund, but I do have a subscription to the Wall Street Journal <img src='http://www.annezelenka.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I&#8217;ll have to read your article when I have more time. I&#8217;m very interested in pursuing this analysis further. I&#8217;m also interested in what people think is going to happen with Web 2.0 type services&#8211;will people just fund them with a credit card and then charge users to create revenue? Is advertising truly feasible as an ongoing revenue generator for say, a newsreader or a mashup builder? I&#8217;ve heard Bloglines hasn&#8217;t added advertising to their service because they think users wouldn&#8217;t stand for it. So how are they making any money to sustain themselves?</p>
<p>Thanks again for the comments, and I&#8217;ll look forward to reading your article when I&#8217;ve dug through my morning work.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 03:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I don't want to be an apologist for VCs. I'll be the first in line to chear the a replacement for our current methods of venture capital. But we can't replace them unless we understand them. In my opinion almost all of the perceived problems with VCs exist because economic and sociological consequences of their niche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I don&#8217;t want to be an apologist for VCs. I&#8217;ll be the first in line to chear the a replacement for our current methods of venture capital. But we can&#8217;t replace them unless we understand them. In my opinion almost all of the perceived problems with VCs exist because economic and sociological consequences of their niche.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a VC, instead I am an angel investor, but I am somewhat knowledgeable about VC economics.

Your fundemental point is based on the assumption that VC firms make a "supernormal profit". I discuss some about venture capital economics in my post On Being an Angel http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2006/01/on_being_an_ang.html  -- if we start with an hypothetical venture capital fund of $500M, it will have 47 losses and 2.5 successes. The fact that that they invested $25M and recieved $250M for the each successes doesn't show the the losses for the failed ventures. Add in 3% annual management fees, inflation over 10 years, and the 20% carry for the VCs, many VC funds don't do as well for institutional vendors as the stock marketplace. These numbers are very transparent to the institutional investors, so if the VCs were making too much money, they'd be pushing these numbers significantly down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a VC, instead I am an angel investor, but I am somewhat knowledgeable about VC economics.</p>
<p>Your fundemental point is based on the assumption that VC firms make a &#8220;supernormal profit&#8221;. I discuss some about venture capital economics in my post On Being an Angel <a href="http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2006/01/on_being_an_ang.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2006/01/on_being_an_ang.html</a>  &#8212; if we start with an hypothetical venture capital fund of $500M, it will have 47 losses and 2.5 successes. The fact that that they invested $25M and recieved $250M for the each successes doesn&#8217;t show the the losses for the failed ventures. Add in 3% annual management fees, inflation over 10 years, and the 20% carry for the VCs, many VC funds don&#8217;t do as well for institutional vendors as the stock marketplace. These numbers are very transparent to the institutional investors, so if the VCs were making too much money, they&#8217;d be pushing these numbers significantly down.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Zelenka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Zelenka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 07:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SRW, I am probably in one of the best positions of anybody to take advantage of a tip about coffee on the Big Island, so you shouldn't feel embarrassed about offering it. I don't think I've actually tried Maui coffee, except maybe by accident. Now I've got to figure out a way to get to Kona before we move...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SRW, I am probably in one of the best positions of anybody to take advantage of a tip about coffee on the Big Island, so you shouldn&#8217;t feel embarrassed about offering it. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve actually tried Maui coffee, except maybe by accident. Now I&#8217;ve got to figure out a way to get to Kona before we move&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Puh-leeze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Puh-leeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 07:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/The smart VCs have moved on: power, biomechanics, material science/

Oh yes, and software is dead. This is why VC's miss every wave, they're non-technical herd animals driven by fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/The smart VCs have moved on: power, biomechanics, material science/</p>
<p>Oh yes, and software is dead. This is why VC&#8217;s miss every wave, they&#8217;re non-technical herd animals driven by fashion.</p>
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