Comments on: Chris Messina, Firefox, and the Curse of Expert Ennui http://www.annezelenka.com/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui a blog about the connected age Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:40:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: disambiguity - » Remind me … what’s so great about Omnigraffle? http://www.annezelenka.com/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1075 disambiguity - » Remind me … what’s so great about Omnigraffle? Thu, 17 May 2007 07:01:01 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1075 [...] It also makes me think that I wish that I could have this experience about once a year to REALLY bring home what the experience of using the interfaces that I design must be for very many people. It lifts the ‘Curse of Knowledge, or the The Curse of Expert Ennui as Anne Zelenka might describe it. [...] […] It also makes me think that I wish that I could have this experience about once a year to REALLY bring home what the experience of using the interfaces that I design must be for very many people. It lifts the ‘Curse of Knowledge, or the The Curse of Expert Ennui as Anne Zelenka might describe it. […]

]]> By: CMS SEO : On Mozilla and The Evolution of the Browser http://www.annezelenka.com/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1076 CMS SEO : On Mozilla and The Evolution of the Browser Tue, 15 May 2007 13:40:47 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1076 [...] Anne Zelenka has some great thoughts on the future of [...] […] Anne Zelenka has some great thoughts on the future of […]

]]> By: dennis parrott http://www.annezelenka.com/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1074 dennis parrott Mon, 14 May 2007 18:16:56 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1074 fixing the memory leaks would be awesome. those leaks on billy g's crappy pretense of an OS means that FF2 sometimes doesn't perform the way it should. as someone who has written code for living for 28 years (i have proudly coded in more dead languages on dead platforms that anyone you know!) i heartily concur with those posting about needing better tools. a good toolset allows a developer to concentrate on the problem and not on all the other gyrations of building software. good tools are like grease on a bearing or oil in your car engine -- they smooth the way. i also concur with the idea of making the browser into other things ala Songbird. i've tried out songbird and its pretty interesting (and i am looking for an itunes replacement -- it is too slow when scrolling thru a 100+ GB music collection) but perhaps making a totally separate app isn't always the way to go. suppose that music blogs when renedered in firefox just used some songbird-ish features instead? suppose you could download all of the mp3 files but maybe not have them play when you were in FF? making the browser more aware of what it was rendering so that it could provide more services for the user is a direction i'd like to see things go. and anne - web worker daily is right up there with lifehacker as one of my "must read daily" blogs!! good stuff here and there!! fixing the memory leaks would be awesome. those leaks on billy g’s crappy pretense of an OS means that FF2 sometimes doesn’t perform the way it should.

as someone who has written code for living for 28 years (i have proudly coded in more dead languages on dead platforms that anyone you know!) i heartily concur with those posting about needing better tools. a good toolset allows a developer to concentrate on the problem and not on all the other gyrations of building software. good tools are like grease on a bearing or oil in your car engine — they smooth the way.

i also concur with the idea of making the browser into other things ala Songbird. i’ve tried out songbird and its pretty interesting (and i am looking for an itunes replacement — it is too slow when scrolling thru a 100+ GB music collection) but perhaps making a totally separate app isn’t always the way to go. suppose that music blogs when renedered in firefox just used some songbird-ish features instead? suppose you could download all of the mp3 files but maybe not have them play when you were in FF? making the browser more aware of what it was rendering so that it could provide more services for the user is a direction i’d like to see things go.

and anne - web worker daily is right up there with lifehacker as one of my “must read daily” blogs!! good stuff here and there!!

]]> By: James Napolitano http://www.annezelenka.com/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1073 James Napolitano Sat, 12 May 2007 02:12:54 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1073 <blockquote>Double down on Firefox!!!! Fix the memory model, which is utterly horked. its not a feature, its a related set of bugs. Love fox, hate the leakiness.</blockquote> Firefox 3 will have a new cycle collector that will handle memory leaks. It's already mostly implemented on the "Gran Paradiso" alpha releases.

Double down on Firefox!!!! Fix the memory model, which is utterly horked. its not a feature, its a related set of bugs. Love fox, hate the leakiness.

Firefox 3 will have a new cycle collector that will handle memory leaks. It’s already mostly implemented on the “Gran Paradiso” alpha releases.

]]> By: james governor http://www.annezelenka.com/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1084 james governor Fri, 11 May 2007 15:58:23 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1084 Double down on Firefox!!!! Fix the memory model, which is utterly horked. its not a feature, its a related set of bugs. Love fox, hate the leakiness. Double down on Firefox!!!! Fix the memory model, which is utterly horked. its not a feature, its a related set of bugs. Love fox, hate the leakiness.

]]> By: James Napolitano http://www.annezelenka.com/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1083 James Napolitano Fri, 11 May 2007 13:09:32 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1083 <blockquote>The Curse of Expert Ennui (which I just made up) happens when we’ve been immersed in a cutting edge or otherwise advanced project for so long and seen it through so many ups and downs that we become tired and jaded about it.</blockquote> Well said. I also think that with the web, technology enthusiasts are so used to the rapid pace of change that they expect *every* new browser version to be the next killer app or to represent some paradigm shift in the way we use the web (for instance, adding new features on the level of tabbed browsing and popup blocking). Instead, it's often just the sum of many small incremental improvements that make the browser (or any app) much better over time.

The Curse of Expert Ennui (which I just made up) happens when we’ve been immersed in a cutting edge or otherwise advanced project for so long and seen it through so many ups and downs that we become tired and jaded about it.

Well said. I also think that with the web, technology enthusiasts are so used to the rapid pace of change that they expect *every* new browser version to be the next killer app or to represent some paradigm shift in the way we use the web (for instance, adding new features on the level of tabbed browsing and popup blocking). Instead, it’s often just the sum of many small incremental improvements that make the browser (or any app) much better over time.

]]> By: Stephanie Booth http://www.annezelenka.com/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1082 Stephanie Booth Fri, 11 May 2007 12:50:30 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1082 "The Curse of Expert Ennui" -- that's something I'm going to add to my vocabulary and my worldview. “The Curse of Expert Ennui” — that’s something I’m going to add to my vocabulary and my worldview.

]]> By: CodeCorps http://www.annezelenka.com/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1079 CodeCorps Fri, 11 May 2007 11:09:33 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1079 <strong>Another Voice on the Future of Mozilla</strong> Another Voice on the Future of Mozilla

]]> By: Mozilla in Asia » various Mozilla news http://www.annezelenka.com/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1080 Mozilla in Asia » various Mozilla news Fri, 11 May 2007 08:24:04 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1080 [...] Chris Messina, Firefox, and the Curse of Expert Ennui [...] […] Chris Messina, Firefox, and the Curse of Expert Ennui […]

]]> By: natrius http://www.annezelenka.com/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1081 natrius Fri, 11 May 2007 08:17:31 +0000 http://www.annezelenka.com/testbed/2007/05/chris-messina-firefox-and-the-curse-of-expert-ennui#comment-1081 All the new web development platforms that people are coming out with are closed, except for JavaFX, but it remains to be seen what JavaFX actually is. If people start making applications with these frameworks, they won't be accessible from the browser, just like Flash is today. Let's take your GTDInbox example, for instance. If Gmail was written in Flash, Flex or Silverlight, GTDInbox would be impossible. You can't alter those applications from the outside because they are closed. If we allow those solutions to take over, it will be a huge setback for innovation on the web. The goal of Mozilla is supposed to be to promote innovation on the web, and that is why they should be focusing on developing an alternative to those platforms. All the new web development platforms that people are coming out with are closed, except for JavaFX, but it remains to be seen what JavaFX actually is. If people start making applications with these frameworks, they won’t be accessible from the browser, just like Flash is today. Let’s take your GTDInbox example, for instance. If Gmail was written in Flash, Flex or Silverlight, GTDInbox would be impossible. You can’t alter those applications from the outside because they are closed. If we allow those solutions to take over, it will be a huge setback for innovation on the web. The goal of Mozilla is supposed to be to promote innovation on the web, and that is why they should be focusing on developing an alternative to those platforms.

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